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Examples Of & Comments About The Children"s Rhyme "I Like Coffee, I Like Tea, I Like Sitting On A Black Man"s Knee"
I think that this version is a "trick question" was meant to result in an automatic and "obvious response from children who weren"t Babsence (the intended audience for that and also other rhymes) that "Yes. I choose coffee and yes I favor tea" however NO. I don"t prefer sitting on a Babsence man"s knee." (Having said yes both times, the "trick" is that the perkid answering the question would be lulled right into responding "yes" to a question that around an action that is incredibly unacceptable (for children who aren"t Black). Few evaluation of children"s recreational rhymes that I"ve read consider that this rhyme and also some other children"s recreational rhymes can have different meanings for Babsence youngsters than they carry out for White children. Although we teach our kids that they shouldn"t sit on any strange man"s lap-unless he"s the Santa Claus at a social occasion in the time of the Christmas season- for the a lot of part, sitting on the knee of a Babsence guy who is known to a Black child doesn’t have actually the same risque, sexualized, and also scary connotations that it had actually in the previous and more than likely still have in the 2000s for White kids and also other non-Babsence kids.
It"s substantial that "Black men" are the only racial/ethnic population that are featured in these rhymes- There are no similar examples of "I choose coffee...I like sitting on a White man"s knee" or "I choose sitting on an Oriental man"s knee" or "I like sitting on a Latino man"s knee."
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Although we teach our youngsters that they shouldn"t sit on any kind of stselection man"s lap-unless he"s the Santa Claus in the save or social occasion during the Christmas seakid, we do not organize those negative stereotypes about Babsence males and also for this reason Black youngsters wouldn"t translate this rhyme in the same way as White youngsters. I don"t remember "I like coffee...I like sitting on a babsence man"s knee" from my childhood (in Atlantic City, New Jersey, early 1950s). I wonder if anyone outside of England also remembers this rhyme. If so, for the folkloric document, please share that indevelopment in the comment area listed below. Please encompass demographics (particularly your race/ethnicity, geographical area, and also decade that you remember this rhyme). Thanks!-snip-My tradition is to capitalize the racial referental fees "Black" and also "White". However before, I"ve offered the reduced instance "b" for "black man" as that is just how that referent is found in the examples I am quoting.In comparison, the modern rhymes "I choose coffee, I prefer tea, I like a Babsence boy and also he likes me" were most likely first composed by Black world. Click http://smashville247.net/2012/01/racialized-versions-of-i-like-coffee-i.html Racialized Versions Of "I Like Coffee I Like Tea" for a smashville247.net article about those rhymes. Also, click http://smashville247.net/2017/06/selected-examples-of-referents-for.html for the closely related smashville247.net short article entitled "Selected Examples Of Refeleas For Babsence People In Children"s Rhymes"****EXCERPTS ABOUT THE RHYME "I LIKE COFFEE....I LIKE SITTING ON A BLACK MAN"S KNEE"These excerpts are provided in reasonably random order, and are numbered for referencing purposes just.EXCERPT #1From https://books.google.com/books?id=sdWwHbOf4oAC&pg=PA65&lpg=PA65&dq=i+like+coffee+i+like+tea+i+like+sitting+on+a+black+man%27s+knee&source=bl&ots=HpDAN7l85O&sig=8S_C-5wB9bySayW9t_Gzz3WdoOU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4y73_ifbYAhXD61MKHY06CzE4ChDoAQgoMAA#The Lore and also Language of Schoolchildren Iona Archibald Opie, Peter Opie -Given in area entitled “Guile”..."’Can you say tea-pot backwards?’ (The perkid says “pot tea” and you say you recognize he is)’“Do you feel prefer a cup of tea??” ‘Yes’. ‘You look favor one”."Are you soft?’ ‘No’. ‘Are you daft? ‘ ‘No’. Are you far off of it?’ ‘No.’ (You say, ‘I assumed not”.) This last is virtually among those triple-question tricks in which the perchild is brought about mean that the answer provided to the first 2 questions will certainly additionally execute for the third:Do you choose apples?Do you choose pears?Do you like tumbling dvery own the stairs? Or, Do you choose whiteDo you prefer pink?Do you prefer fallingdvery own the sink? Possibly the rhyming aids the delusion, for these formulas are very famous, particularly via extremely young children that have simply began institution. Our daughter, for instance, was five years old once she came house with: Do you prefer coffee ? Do you choose tea ? Do you like sitting on a blackman"s knee ?-snip-The "Are you soft" example doesn’t interpret well into American English. While, I realize that “daft” indicates “crazy”, I’m not certain what “much off of it” indicates. But I "get" that these "triple questions" are intended to "trick" the child right into saying "yes", once the 3rd answer would absolutely be "no". As I shown in my comments above, provided the negative stereotypes that were held about Black civilization in basic, and Black males in particular, for White children in the late 1950s and (likely) for many type of non-Black youngsters now, I suspect that the answer to the question "Do you choose sitting on a blackman"s knee" wouldn"t have been (wouldn"t be) "Yes", yet a loud "NO!". For those youngsters (and not for Babsence children) "sitting on a Babsence man"s knee" would have been (and also may still be) something that would certainly not just be socially unacceptable, however likewise be considered disgusting. The writer quoted in Excerpt #3 gives another possible interpretation of this rhyme in which "sitting on a black man"s knee" was eroticized. If that is the instance, the declarative statement "I prefer sitting on a babsence man"s knee" might be an instance of youngsters being risque by complex societal taboos of sitting on a Babsence man"s lap for sexualized, if not romantic, reasons.****EXCERPT #2 From http://sounds.bl.uk/Oral-history/Opie-collection-of-children-s-games-and-songs-/021M-C0898X0059XX-0100V0"Type: soundDuration: 00:47:41<...>Subjects: Children"s games; Children"s songsRecording date: 1982-06Is part of (Collection): Opie collection of children"s games and also songs<...>"Tright here is a brief pause in the recording at <00:15:00> and also Iona describes that she is currently in Flitwick, Bedford. There is a lot background noise from website traffic. Iona starts by talking to some schoolgirls, one of whom is thirteen.They sing the skipping song "I Like Coffee, I Like Tea". The girl sings: "I like coffee, I choose tea, I choose sitting on a black man"s knee" <00:15:27 - 00:15:34>"****EXCERPT #3From https://books.google.com/books?id=OkyBDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA126&lpg=PA126&dq=i+like+coffee+i+like+tea+i+like+sitting+on+a+black+man%27s+knee&source=bl&ots=oZAdnb3j9l&sig=G_Nw_cUozzmmYB_Jdjdqmuc7jzo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjrz_Gu_fXYAhWEq1MKHY5UBh8Q6AEIRjAF#v=onepage&q=i%20like%20coffee%20i%20like%20tea%20i%20like%20sitting%20on%20a%20black%20man"s%20knee&f=false Rictough Hoggart and Cultural StudiesS. Owen"In this brand-new repertoire of essays, a selection of establimelted and also arising cultural movie critics re-evaluate Rictough Hoggart"s contribution to the background of ideas and to the discipline of Cultural Studies. They study Hoggart"s heritage, identifying his widespcheck out influence, tracing continuities and complexities, and affirming his importance."‘Them’ And ‘Us’ - Robert J C Young..."Perhaps Leeds was different, yet in many English cities, from London to Newcastle, neighborhood English and also immiapprove areas of Jews, Irish, and also later on Caribbean, Bangladeshi, and also Pakistani did accomplish, and 1957 was the moment once this was first coming to be a political worry on a nationwide level- it was the year prior to the first Nottingham riots. In the people of The Uses, there appears to be as bit explicit consciousness of black people as of the nests.The charlady secures her old felt hat with a big pin via a piccaninny’s head carved on the blunt end-a relic of a day at sea, I suppose’ (118), everyone knows that a neighborhood womale had actually a babsence child after the annual visit of the circus a couple of years earlier. This illicit attraction is staged even more spectacularly in among the jumping rope rhymes which Hoggart quotes without comment:I choose coffee, I choose teaI favor sitting on a babsence man’s knee (58)The consistent version of this rhyme is I choose coffee, I choose teaI desire to jump with me.Or more suggestively, I favor the boys and also the boys prefer meEven Salmale Rushdie, in The Satanic Verses, cites a comparatively anodyne version compared to Hoggart’s, as soon as Saladin Chamcha is making threatening erotic anonymous phone calls to Gibreel:I prefer coffee, I favor tea,I choose the things you execute to me.Tell her that, the voice swooned, and rang off.(Rushdie, 1988, 444) The spectral appearance of the eroticised black man’s knee in The Uses argues another dimension to the rather puritanical sex life that is evoked in the day-to-day resides of the functioning course. It also says the phantom existence of different neighborhoods who register no presence in the book.”****EXCERPT #4From http://the-history-girls.smashville247.net.com/2015/05/bluebells-cockleshells-catherine-johnkid.html Bluebells, Cockleshells Catherine Johnboy, Thursday, 14 May 2015“That"s what started me off a walk in those woods last week, I couldn"t get this skipping rhyme out of my head;Bluebells, cockleshells,Evey, Ivy, O-ver,Did you play this one? You"d require a huge team, and a huge rope through two enders, or one ender (nobody wanted to be an ender) and also then you"d tie the various other end to a drainpipe. Anyway on "Bluebells, cockle shells" the rope would certainly be swayed, not turned all the means over till the word "over" in the rhyme. At this the following girl, it was always a girl (and also tright here was just Barry Morgan in our college who might skip I might be wrong here) would certainly run into the rope. She"d sing;I choose coffee I favor tea I like Sheila in via meAnd then Sheila would certainly jump in and also you"d both skip together and spell out her name as you jumped. But sometimes, and also this would be approximately 1970 in London, I deserve to remember singing;I favor coffee I choose tea,I choose sitting on a black man"s kneeWhich seems entirely shocking this day - although we didn"t think about it then - and did I think I was skipping around my Dad? Not at all, this was the same mythical black male that famously gained caught by his toe, finest mates, no doubt with the guy from China that was forever before doing up his flies. Skipping rhymes were always odd and periodically rude and sometimes completely scatological. Can I simply say I am glad those days are gone? I never felt these rhymes were a authorize of any type of type of innocence.”...****EXCERPT #5From http://www.odps.org/glossword/index.php?a=term&d=3&t=381 Seedy Songs and Rotten Rhymes - the poetry of the playground"I favor coffeeI like coffee I favor tea I like sitting on a babsence mans knee With a one and a two and also a three (on 3 lift your skirt, rotate tround easily, bend over and also display your bum)"****EXCERPT #6From http://britishexpats.com/forum/barbie-92/playground-songs-448434/page3/May ninth 2007, 12:03 am #39"sasbear This might be classed as un COMPUTER now however.this is what we sang ...I like coffeeI choose teaI favor sitting on a babsence man"s knee"**May nine 2007, 12:10 am asher FemaleQuote:Originally Posted by sasbear This might be classed as un PC currently however.this is what we sang ...I like coffeeI choose teaI favor sitting on a black man"s kneewe sang it as a skipping song "as over then I want so and also so in via me."-snip-“I want so and so in via me” I desire to sign up with me jumping rope.****EXCERPT #7From https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=36600.120 Topic: When did you first enrespond to racism?Re: When did you first enrespond to racism?Sexton Brackets, Reply #125 on: June 13, 2013, 10:10:01 AM »"Another playground one round my means was "Do you prefer coffee?Do you prefer tea?Do you prefer sitting on a black man"s knee?"There was one black son in my course when I was eight (1974) and our teacher would certainly routinely mock-greduced at him and also say "Don"t you give me those black looks, boy" in a weird Windsor Davies-kind voice, to the poor kid"s noticeable embarrassment. It was incredibly funny for the rest of us at the moment, though."****Thanks for visiting smashville247.net.Visitor comments are welcome.